Comments on: At the risk of disagreeing with Jay Rosen… http://davecormier.com/edblog/2006/06/29/at-the-risk-of-disagreeing-with-jay-rosen/ Education, post-structuralism and the rise of the machines Sun, 05 Sep 2010 22:41:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Sean FitzGerald http://davecormier.com/edblog/2006/06/29/at-the-risk-of-disagreeing-with-jay-rosen/comment-page-1/#comment-2136 Sean FitzGerald Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:00:37 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=60#comment-2136 Jay, whilst I agree with your tone of caution, this reminds me of a discussion that has been going on elsewhere on the web where a few people critical of Web 2.0 are pointing to the fact that only a relatively few people blog or contribute to Wikipedia or vote on Digg etc. as evidence that collective intelligence, community involvement, power to the people etc. isn't really working. But it only takes a few dedicated bloggers to keep politicians honest, fact check what mainstream journalists are saying and keep an eye on corporations. We don't all have to do it for the revolution to occur. I'm happy to let others do it. We don't <i>have</i> to, but the point is that now we <i>can</i> if we want to. Jay, whilst I agree with your tone of caution, this reminds me of a discussion that has been going on elsewhere on the web where a few people critical of Web 2.0 are pointing to the fact that only a relatively few people blog or contribute to Wikipedia or vote on Digg etc. as evidence that collective intelligence, community involvement, power to the people etc. isn’t really working.

But it only takes a few dedicated bloggers to keep politicians honest, fact check what mainstream journalists are saying and keep an eye on corporations.

We don’t all have to do it for the revolution to occur. I’m happy to let others do it.

We don’t have to, but the point is that now we can if we want to.

]]> By: Karyn Romeis http://davecormier.com/edblog/2006/06/29/at-the-risk-of-disagreeing-with-jay-rosen/comment-page-1/#comment-2125 Karyn Romeis Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:26:38 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=60#comment-2125 "I’ll admit that I’m out of my league here debating with Rosen". I think the beauty of the revolution is that no-one is out of their league any more. A cat may look at a king. Dave may disagree with Jay. I know how you feel, though - I have felt that way myself a few times, as I have nervously taken issue with some or other heavyweight. Sometimes I have been put in my place, other times I have been pleasantly surprised to have someone say, "good point" as Harold has done for you. And let's face it, Harold is no lightweight! “I’ll admit that I’m out of my league here debating with Rosen”. I think the beauty of the revolution is that no-one is out of their league any more. A cat may look at a king. Dave may disagree with Jay. I know how you feel, though – I have felt that way myself a few times, as I have nervously taken issue with some or other heavyweight. Sometimes I have been put in my place, other times I have been pleasantly surprised to have someone say, “good point” as Harold has done for you. And let’s face it, Harold is no lightweight!

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://davecormier.com/edblog/2006/06/29/at-the-risk-of-disagreeing-with-jay-rosen/comment-page-1/#comment-2112 Harold Jarche Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:23:58 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=60#comment-2112 Good points, Dave. It's hard to lead a revolution when you're trying to pay the bills. One factor that may tip the scales is that big business is constantly downsizing and shaking off its excess personnel. Many people see this and find an exit strategy, though not yet the majority. The more who escape and create alternatives, the better the chances for the revolution. Kind of like the American revolution - there was a core of dedicated revolutionaries but most people would have gone either way. Once things got rolling, the revolutionaries were able to turn the tide. If this picture speaks the truth, then this is where the revolutionaries will come from: http://www.gapingvoid.com/workingforacorporation.jpg Good points, Dave. It’s hard to lead a revolution when you’re trying to pay the bills.

One factor that may tip the scales is that big business is constantly downsizing and shaking off its excess personnel. Many people see this and find an exit strategy, though not yet the majority. The more who escape and create alternatives, the better the chances for the revolution. Kind of like the American revolution – there was a core of dedicated revolutionaries but most people would have gone either way. Once things got rolling, the revolutionaries were able to turn the tide.

If this picture speaks the truth, then this is where the revolutionaries will come from:
http://www.gapingvoid.com/workingforacorporation.jpg

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