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		<title>By: sue harper</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our school used to have major problems with phones being used in classrooms and to cheat. We are now using a system from phonebuster. It is an effective detection unit that each teacher has and can recognise whenever a phone is on and being used. Seems to have done the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our school used to have major problems with phones being used in classrooms and to cheat. We are now using a system from phonebuster. It is an effective detection unit that each teacher has and can recognise whenever a phone is on and being used. Seems to have done the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach high school biology in Alberta.  Our school has banned cell phone use by students during school hours.  This probably is appropriate since it reduces the incidence of conflict between students and teachers when a phone rings during class time.  It also reduces the possible use of the technology during classroom tests when text messaging or digital file access may not be appropriate.  Regular land-lines are available in classrooms and teachers are open to students using these phones to make &quot;necessary&quot; calls at appropriate times. However, there may be times when cell phones might be a useful tool.  Please see http://tinyurl.com/322wa3 for some of my thoughts regarding this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach high school biology in Alberta.  Our school has banned cell phone use by students during school hours.  This probably is appropriate since it reduces the incidence of conflict between students and teachers when a phone rings during class time.  It also reduces the possible use of the technology during classroom tests when text messaging or digital file access may not be appropriate.  Regular land-lines are available in classrooms and teachers are open to students using these phones to make &#8220;necessary&#8221; calls at appropriate times. However, there may be times when cell phones might be a useful tool.  Please see <a href="http://tinyurl.com/322wa3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/322wa3</a> for some of my thoughts regarding this.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good discussion here, Dave. 

I really enjoyed Bonnies&#039;s point that, &quot;instead, the whole construct of the classroom is becoming increasingly obsolete and removed from not only the technologies but the entire skill set required by the working world. sitting quietly in your desk and waiting to be asked to speak looks not so hot on the resume, these days. the emperor is naked, and the students are starting to notice.&quot;

This has been my issue for a long time now, and perhaps the prime reason why we are giving our boys the option of homeschooling. We are in a time of immense change, and not just at school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion here, Dave. </p>
<p>I really enjoyed Bonnies&#8217;s point that, &#8220;instead, the whole construct of the classroom is becoming increasingly obsolete and removed from not only the technologies but the entire skill set required by the working world. sitting quietly in your desk and waiting to be asked to speak looks not so hot on the resume, these days. the emperor is naked, and the students are starting to notice.&#8221;</p>
<p>This has been my issue for a long time now, and perhaps the prime reason why we are giving our boys the option of homeschooling. We are in a time of immense change, and not just at school.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how this qualifies as &#039;admitting&#039; something Eric. I will &#039;admit&#039; that cell phones don&#039;t blend very well in a transmission style classroom... and no, they don&#039;t blend very well with our traditional classroom... 

do we blame the technology or the classroom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how this qualifies as &#8216;admitting&#8217; something Eric. I will &#8216;admit&#8217; that cell phones don&#8217;t blend very well in a transmission style classroom&#8230; and no, they don&#8217;t blend very well with our traditional classroom&#8230; </p>
<p>do we blame the technology or the classroom?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a college student pursueing a career in education and I have to admit that cell-phones are and always will be a hindrance to the classroom. Even in college professors can&#039;t seem to get their students to put the things away. I was just wondering when I get into the classroom how can I best control this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a college student pursueing a career in education and I have to admit that cell-phones are and always will be a hindrance to the classroom. Even in college professors can&#8217;t seem to get their students to put the things away. I was just wondering when I get into the classroom how can I best control this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cell phones have become and extra limb for so many students today. I&#039;ve seen kids go into full blown panic attacks when faculty or administration has taken up their phones.  Just this week a student verbally threatened to physically harm a teacher for taking his cell phone up in class! To further the issue students think answering a text message or call from a parent is an exception to the school policy.  The more ridiculous thing is that many parents agree.

How do you take what is becomming such a &quot;necessary&quot; device in our lives and prevent it from being a distraction? As a technology teacher I would love to be able to harness the excitement surrounding these devices and integrate them into lessons. I would love to expand on how these devices work and explore their hardware and software. My computer science students still think I&#039;m kidding when I tell them programming for cell phones is a booming career. They don&#039;t know anything about what is behind them, only how to use them. However, this is probably not something I will be able to explore within the confines of my school walls anytime soon because cell phones are &quot;bad&quot;.

Yes, we have been left behind. I say let&#039;s get our phones out and make educational friends with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cell phones have become and extra limb for so many students today. I&#8217;ve seen kids go into full blown panic attacks when faculty or administration has taken up their phones.  Just this week a student verbally threatened to physically harm a teacher for taking his cell phone up in class! To further the issue students think answering a text message or call from a parent is an exception to the school policy.  The more ridiculous thing is that many parents agree.</p>
<p>How do you take what is becomming such a &#8220;necessary&#8221; device in our lives and prevent it from being a distraction? As a technology teacher I would love to be able to harness the excitement surrounding these devices and integrate them into lessons. I would love to expand on how these devices work and explore their hardware and software. My computer science students still think I&#8217;m kidding when I tell them programming for cell phones is a booming career. They don&#8217;t know anything about what is behind them, only how to use them. However, this is probably not something I will be able to explore within the confines of my school walls anytime soon because cell phones are &#8220;bad&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, we have been left behind. I say let&#8217;s get our phones out and make educational friends with them.</p>
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		<title>By: bon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 03:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep.  i think many of us who are now either out of school or behind the teacher&#039;s desk tend to assume that the mission of schooling is timeless, and that, as ever (an assumption based on questionable premises in any era but particularly recently) schools are still going about their jobs preparing students for life outside the classroom walls.  instead, the whole construct of the classroom is becoming increasingly obsolete and removed from not only the technologies but the entire skill set required by the working world.  sitting quietly in your desk and waiting to be asked to speak looks not so hott on the resume, these days.  the emperor is naked, and the students are starting to notice.

and yet, i can completely understand how, for individual teachers trying to do their best in a particular classroom with particular subject material, the presence of cellphones or &quot;two way communication devices&quot; can be at best, distracting.  i&#039;ve always been hostile to phones in my classrooms...but not necessarily to the forms of communication they represent.  that&#039;s what i&#039;m wondering about in the Milwaukee situation.  in banning the devices, what are they assuming the impact will be in the classroom?  simply more focused students with less instant messaging going on, or are they hoping for a paradigm re-set entirely?

i think the students left us a lot of us behind awhile ago.  and as long as we expect to be the knowers in an old-school model of learning, we&#039;ll never get back into the conversation again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep.  i think many of us who are now either out of school or behind the teacher&#8217;s desk tend to assume that the mission of schooling is timeless, and that, as ever (an assumption based on questionable premises in any era but particularly recently) schools are still going about their jobs preparing students for life outside the classroom walls.  instead, the whole construct of the classroom is becoming increasingly obsolete and removed from not only the technologies but the entire skill set required by the working world.  sitting quietly in your desk and waiting to be asked to speak looks not so hott on the resume, these days.  the emperor is naked, and the students are starting to notice.</p>
<p>and yet, i can completely understand how, for individual teachers trying to do their best in a particular classroom with particular subject material, the presence of cellphones or &#8220;two way communication devices&#8221; can be at best, distracting.  i&#8217;ve always been hostile to phones in my classrooms&#8230;but not necessarily to the forms of communication they represent.  that&#8217;s what i&#8217;m wondering about in the Milwaukee situation.  in banning the devices, what are they assuming the impact will be in the classroom?  simply more focused students with less instant messaging going on, or are they hoping for a paradigm re-set entirely?</p>
<p>i think the students left us a lot of us behind awhile ago.  and as long as we expect to be the knowers in an old-school model of learning, we&#8217;ll never get back into the conversation again.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Education Without Fear on MistakenGoal.com: Where Student Affairs and Technology Meet</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Education Without Fear on MistakenGoal.com: Where Student Affairs and Technology Meet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A few of the panelists referenced Youth, Pornography, and the Internet,&#8221; a 2000 publication by the Committee to Study Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content of the National Research Council. In particular, the following idea (paraphrased here and attributed to Dick Thornburgh) was discussed and presented as a model: Although we can erect fences and put up gates around swimming pools, the best way we can protect children from drowning is to teach them how to swim. Adam quickly linked this notion of &#8220;teaching our children how to swim&#8221; with media literacy and how it is or is not being taught to children. This is a current topic of discussion among some educators and the focus of current research. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A few of the panelists referenced Youth, Pornography, and the Internet,&#8221; a 2000 publication by the Committee to Study Tools and Strategies for Protecting Kids from Pornography and Their Applicability to Other Inappropriate Internet Content of the National Research Council. In particular, the following idea (paraphrased here and attributed to Dick Thornburgh) was discussed and presented as a model: Although we can erect fences and put up gates around swimming pools, the best way we can protect children from drowning is to teach them how to swim. Adam quickly linked this notion of &#8220;teaching our children how to swim&#8221; with media literacy and how it is or is not being taught to children. This is a current topic of discussion among some educators and the focus of current research. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Maddrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Maddrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job digging for the story behind the headlines! I&#039;m heading to Milwaukee today to get to the bottom of this. Coincidentally, my sister lives there so I have a place to crash for a few nights while I further this investigation. At &lt;a href=&quot;http://edtechtalk.com/taxonomy/term/130&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EdTechWeekly&lt;/a&gt; (part of &lt;a href=&quot;http://edtechtalk.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EdTechTalk&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://worldbridges.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Worldbridges&lt;/a&gt; network), we don&#039;t just fluff our way through &lt;a href=&quot;http://edtechtalk.com/EdTechWeekly16&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the headlines&lt;/a&gt; - we will forego all exercise for as long as necessary and travel to all ends of the earth to get the story right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job digging for the story behind the headlines! I&#8217;m heading to Milwaukee today to get to the bottom of this. Coincidentally, my sister lives there so I have a place to crash for a few nights while I further this investigation. At <a href="http://edtechtalk.com/taxonomy/term/130" rel="nofollow">EdTechWeekly</a> (part of <a href="http://edtechtalk.com/" rel="nofollow">EdTechTalk</a> on the <a href="http://worldbridges.net/" rel="nofollow">Worldbridges</a> network), we don&#8217;t just fluff our way through <a href="http://edtechtalk.com/EdTechWeekly16" rel="nofollow">the headlines</a> &#8211; we will forego all exercise for as long as necessary and travel to all ends of the earth to get the story right!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Guidry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Guidry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Dave!

If it makes anyone feel better, those of us in higher education are also being left behind.  Three years after it was founded, we&#039;re still trying to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncsu.edu/facebook/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;figure out&lt;/a&gt; this Facebook thing that rules our undergraduates&#039; lives.  Laptop computers are still &lt;a href=&quot;http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/1847/lecture-hall-laptops-hurt-students-grades-study-says&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fascinating objects of dubious educational&lt;/a&gt; value for some of us.

I fear that many of us who are trying to teach and mentor young people simply don&#039;t possess the literacies we should be teaching them.  We don&#039;t understand, participate in, or often acknowledge the media with which and the environments in which our students are living their lives.  It&#039;s difficult to know if those media and environments are lasting, ephemeral, or somewhere in between, but that knowledge of them appears to be limited to youths, those who want to remain young, and those who study the youths makes things very, very difficult for all of us.

I, of course, am &quot;hip&quot; and &quot;down with&quot; much of the new technology - it&#039;s everyone else that I&#039;m worried about! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Dave!</p>
<p>If it makes anyone feel better, those of us in higher education are also being left behind.  Three years after it was founded, we&#8217;re still trying to <a href="http://www.ncsu.edu/facebook/" rel="nofollow">figure out</a> this Facebook thing that rules our undergraduates&#8217; lives.  Laptop computers are still <a href="http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/1847/lecture-hall-laptops-hurt-students-grades-study-says" rel="nofollow">fascinating objects of dubious educational</a> value for some of us.</p>
<p>I fear that many of us who are trying to teach and mentor young people simply don&#8217;t possess the literacies we should be teaching them.  We don&#8217;t understand, participate in, or often acknowledge the media with which and the environments in which our students are living their lives.  It&#8217;s difficult to know if those media and environments are lasting, ephemeral, or somewhere in between, but that knowledge of them appears to be limited to youths, those who want to remain young, and those who study the youths makes things very, very difficult for all of us.</p>
<p>I, of course, am &#8220;hip&#8221; and &#8220;down with&#8221; much of the new technology &#8211; it&#8217;s everyone else that I&#8217;m worried about! <img src='http://davecormier.com/edblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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