Comments on: Kathy Sierra, the private public and the anonymous http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-the-private-public-and-the-annonymous/ Education, post-structuralism and the rise of the machines Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:19:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Le Web des cons : insultes et menaces de mort || Relief http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-the-private-public-and-the-annonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-226318 Le Web des cons : insultes et menaces de mort || Relief Sat, 22 May 2010 16:58:30 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=96#comment-226318 [...] West une occasion de refaire le monde en défendant à tout prix la liberté d’expression. Dave Cormier observe que le conflit oppose fondamentalement liberté et sécurité : la liberté de [...] [...] West une occasion de refaire le monde en défendant à tout prix la liberté d’expression. Dave Cormier observe que le conflit oppose fondamentalement liberté et sécurité : la liberté de [...]

]]> By: OLDaily[中文版] » Blog Archive » 2007å¹´3月28æ—¥ http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-the-private-public-and-the-annonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-29861 OLDaily[中文版] » Blog Archive » 2007å¹´3月28æ—¥ Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:56:24 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=96#comment-29861 [...] 尽管这个Blog所做的工作相当不错，仍然有许多途径尝试去捕捉有关Kathy Sierra贴子的反应。（译注：Kathy Sierra的介绍可详解这里；有关Kathy Sierra的贴子在这里）我也有一些反应。首先，我反复重申的实质性问题是一个长期忍受如此行为的社会（和一个明星Blogosphere）。当Juan Cole收到死亡威胁时，哪里可以停止网络威吓? 当那些实在卑鄙的贴子来回地攻击Ann Coulter时，哪里有安全互联网日? 其次，正如Dave Winer所写， 暴徒心理正在失控。人们到处在寻找替罪羊，禁止匿名发帖，或者关闭、屏蔽那些网站。似乎这样可以解决问题，但这是搞不定的。问题在于社会上仍然接受妇女被贬低的情况，偶发的暴力行为，参与人格毁损，攻击某些少数民族（你读到Rageboy的话便可意识到他仍然认为这是OK的）。我同意Scoble的说法，”我们不得不修补这样的文化”。但不仅是正确的互联网文化，而是一般文化。Dave Cormier, Dave’s Educational Blog March 28, 2007 [原文链接] [参与评论] [...] [...] 尽管这个Blog所做的工作相当不错，仍然有许多途径尝试去捕捉有关Kathy Sierra贴子的反应。（译注：Kathy Sierra的介绍可详解这里；有关Kathy Sierra的贴子在这里）我也有一些反应。首先，我反复重申的实质性问题是一个长期忍受如此行为的社会（和一个明星Blogosphere）。当Juan Cole收到死亡威胁时，哪里可以停止网络威吓? 当那些实在卑鄙的贴子来回地攻击Ann Coulter时，哪里有安全互联网日? 其次，正如Dave Winer所写， 暴徒心理正在失控。人们到处在寻找替罪羊，禁止匿名发帖，或者关闭、屏蔽那些网站。似乎这样可以解决问题，但这是搞不定的。问题在于社会上仍然接受妇女被贬低的情况，偶发的暴力行为，参与人格毁损，攻击某些少数民族（你读到Rageboy的话便可意识到他仍然认为这是OK的）。我同意Scoble的说法，”我们不得不修补这样的文化”。但不仅是正确的互联网文化，而是一般文化。Dave Cormier, Dave’s Educational Blog March 28, 2007 [原文链接] [参与评论] [...]

]]> By: Ian Duncan Smith http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-the-private-public-and-the-annonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-29445 Ian Duncan Smith Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:17:05 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=96#comment-29445 I agree with everything you say. The 'change' is an expression of frustration and insecurity. Individualism and liberty of the Web allows people to express intolerance and hate. The content of Kathy's blog challenges male IT and Marketing ideas. She's a real winner, and good luck to her. I hope she's soon back. I agree with everything you say. The ‘change’ is an expression of frustration and insecurity. Individualism and liberty of the Web allows people to express intolerance and hate. The content of Kathy’s blog challenges male IT and Marketing ideas. She’s a real winner, and good luck to her. I hope she’s soon back.

]]> By: Bud Hunt http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-the-private-public-and-the-annonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-29307 Bud Hunt Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:16:21 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=96#comment-29307 A good response. I certainly don't want to shut down any speech -- but that doesn't mean I have to accept as appropriate any speech that's downright awful. Maybe that's approaching speech police -- and I don't want to be the speech police -- but I don't think it is. I don't think I said "hate crimes," though, as I, um, hate the term. Crimes are crimes. Speech is and should be protected. But just because folks <strong>can</strong> say something doesn't necessarily mean that they <strong>should </strong>. Lots here to consider and discuss. A good response. I certainly don’t want to shut down any speech — but that doesn’t mean I have to accept as appropriate any speech that’s downright awful. Maybe that’s approaching speech police — and I don’t want to be the speech police — but I don’t think it is.
I don’t think I said “hate crimes,” though, as I, um, hate the term. Crimes are crimes. Speech is and should be protected. But just because folks can say something doesn’t necessarily mean that they should .
Lots here to consider and discuss.

]]> By: Kevin M. Keating http://davecormier.com/edblog/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-the-private-public-and-the-annonymous/comment-page-1/#comment-29287 Kevin M. Keating Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:37:51 +0000 http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=96#comment-29287 Dave, thanks for the link. I really enjoyed your post on this issue and am glad to see people begin to take a more practical approach to this. Just like pretty much everyone, I am outraged and disgusted by what was written, and think Kathy was right to post about it (though, as some have mentioned, it might've been better had she more clearly separated the threats from her general admonishing of the blogosphere), but I am also afraid that her cause will be taken too far and rather than fostering genuine discussion about these issues, we'll see censorship and hate speech whose effects will be insidious. And you're right to point out the cultural shift. Bloggers and internet users in my generation and below might look at such speech with a shrug because it is all over on sites like YouTube and MySpace. This fact, however, does little to make things better. Instead, doesn't this mass-desensitization mean things might be worse than we expected? Dave, thanks for the link. I really enjoyed your post on this issue and am glad to see people begin to take a more practical approach to this. Just like pretty much everyone, I am outraged and disgusted by what was written, and think Kathy was right to post about it (though, as some have mentioned, it might’ve been better had she more clearly separated the threats from her general admonishing of the blogosphere), but I am also afraid that her cause will be taken too far and rather than fostering genuine discussion about these issues, we’ll see censorship and hate speech whose effects will be insidious.

And you’re right to point out the cultural shift. Bloggers and internet users in my generation and below might look at such speech with a shrug because it is all over on sites like YouTube and MySpace. This fact, however, does little to make things better. Instead, doesn’t this mass-desensitization mean things might be worse than we expected?

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