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	<title>Comments on: Pointing to the &#8216;Social&#8217; and the &#8216;Network&#8217; in making the case for social networking (twitter edition)</title>
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		<title>By: John Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a facinating article. I&#039;m looking for a marketing expert to help with a project, could you help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a facinating article. I&#8217;m looking for a marketing expert to help with a project, could you help?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Them&#039;s some good questions... The 145 is tough to keep... i had promised to keep myself at 100 but i keep slipping away from that. I could run the alternative route and use groups in tweetdeck... but that doesn&#039;t seem right somehow.

1. I&#039;m explaining to my administration why people should be using it at my university.
2. no. it doesn&#039;t.
3. no.
4. I&#039;ll try and explain anything to anyone if they&#039;ve asked me to... I&#039;m not particularly interested in proselitysing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Them&#8217;s some good questions&#8230; The 145 is tough to keep&#8230; i had promised to keep myself at 100 but i keep slipping away from that. I could run the alternative route and use groups in tweetdeck&#8230; but that doesn&#8217;t seem right somehow.</p>
<p>1. I&#8217;m explaining to my administration why people should be using it at my university.<br />
2. no. it doesn&#8217;t.<br />
3. no.<br />
4. I&#8217;ll try and explain anything to anyone if they&#8217;ve asked me to&#8230; I&#8217;m not particularly interested in proselitysing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been jealous of your 145, but now I&#039;m paranoid of being bumped! ;) This piece triggered a few questions, which are probably off topic, as usual.
1.  Why do we feel the need to defend our Twitter habits?
2.  If people don&#039;t get it, does it matter?
3.  Does everyone need to use it?
4.  Where are we in promoting it?  Do we have an obligation to show/teach it to certain people?  Who?  Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been jealous of your 145, but now I&#8217;m paranoid of being bumped! <img src='http://davecormier.com/edblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  This piece triggered a few questions, which are probably off topic, as usual.<br />
1.  Why do we feel the need to defend our Twitter habits?<br />
2.  If people don&#8217;t get it, does it matter?<br />
3.  Does everyone need to use it?<br />
4.  Where are we in promoting it?  Do we have an obligation to show/teach it to certain people?  Who?  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Following and unfollowing in Twitter – sustaining your personal network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Following and unfollowing in Twitter – sustaining your personal network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that instant ‘ economic’ decision on whether to follow someone - for Dave cormier a post that stops him from &#8217;scanning&#8217; , and our decision to unfollow may be reactive (too many posts) or systematic, inspired by this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that instant ‘ economic’ decision on whether to follow someone &#8211; for Dave cormier a post that stops him from &#8217;scanning&#8217; , and our decision to unfollow may be reactive (too many posts) or systematic, inspired by this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche &#187; Communities, networks and etiquette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche &#187; Communities, networks and etiquette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cormier discusses social networking with Twitter and make a clear distinction between his network and his community on this medium: The final issue [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cormier discusses social networking with Twitter and make a clear distinction between his network and his community on this medium: The final issue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Parslow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Parslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Glad I helped prompt you to write about this!  It is a great piece, and it is always useful to see someone else&#039;s perspective.  As I was reading this, it reminded me of the role analysis piece of Folksonomological Reification (http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/folksonomological-reification/6043166) which I wrote a while back.  You advocate clarity in choice of roles when using Twitter - which I think is good, but I am not sure I have put that much cognitive effort into it.

I haven&#039;t pruned my Twitter network at all yet.  I choose to follow people either because I have seen the other end of conversations with them or because they follow me. I then get curious enough to look at what they have to say for themselves, and if I like it I follow them.  Like you, though, &#039;if I like it&#039; doesn&#039;t mean &#039;if they agree with me&#039; - I follow people who will stretch my understanding and give me insights into areas where I am weak (most!). Without deliberately designing my Tweeple to be one, I am building my personal learning network - people who help me understand the world better, who make me think.  Maybe one day I will have enough people attracting my attention that I will have to see about some un-following.

I think a strength of Twitter, over, say IRC, is that it is a global space.  Because it isn&#039;t fragmented, it allows dynamic communities to spring up.  Whilst walled gardens have their purpose (protecting fragile flowers while they develop, either horticulturally or academically) a global space also has benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Glad I helped prompt you to write about this!  It is a great piece, and it is always useful to see someone else&#8217;s perspective.  As I was reading this, it reminded me of the role analysis piece of Folksonomological Reification (<a href="http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/folksonomological-reification/6043166" rel="nofollow">http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/folksonomological-reification/6043166</a>) which I wrote a while back.  You advocate clarity in choice of roles when using Twitter &#8211; which I think is good, but I am not sure I have put that much cognitive effort into it.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t pruned my Twitter network at all yet.  I choose to follow people either because I have seen the other end of conversations with them or because they follow me. I then get curious enough to look at what they have to say for themselves, and if I like it I follow them.  Like you, though, &#8216;if I like it&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8216;if they agree with me&#8217; &#8211; I follow people who will stretch my understanding and give me insights into areas where I am weak (most!). Without deliberately designing my Tweeple to be one, I am building my personal learning network &#8211; people who help me understand the world better, who make me think.  Maybe one day I will have enough people attracting my attention that I will have to see about some un-following.</p>
<p>I think a strength of Twitter, over, say IRC, is that it is a global space.  Because it isn&#8217;t fragmented, it allows dynamic communities to spring up.  Whilst walled gardens have their purpose (protecting fragile flowers while they develop, either horticulturally or academically) a global space also has benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulrich Schrader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulrich Schrader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t this add another dimension to your networks as it can not be assumed that everyone is using all the information paths (twitter, blogs, Skype status, ...). So you networks might be different due to interest, but also due to technology being used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t this add another dimension to your networks as it can not be assumed that everyone is using all the information paths (twitter, blogs, Skype status, &#8230;). So you networks might be different due to interest, but also due to technology being used.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points. No. twitter is not particularly new. It works because my people are there... if my community moved (or my networks) i would move with it. 

The thing that makes twitter a &#039;not a status&#039; kind of place (that&#039;s what i use skype for) is that I don&#039;t want to &#039;be available&#039; for everyone on twitter all the time. I participate as I have time. This seems to work well.

When i need to write something more concrete than 140 characters I write here on this blog. (or I call someone) the 140 characters forces people to refine their ideas to a point. I find that helpful.

As for designing a better one? In a sense I&#039;m trying that at the university with the laconica project... which offers more of a common ground and isn&#039;t proprietary. I&#039;m not sure what &#039;better&#039; would look like, maybe the combination of the twelve things i use... but i like the fact that i can keep my networks a little separated. It&#039;d be fun to sit around and fight about though :)

for me the software comes after the network... I&#039;ll always choose bad software with good people, might sound weird... but i can&#039;t always predict what people will use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points. No. twitter is not particularly new. It works because my people are there&#8230; if my community moved (or my networks) i would move with it. </p>
<p>The thing that makes twitter a &#8216;not a status&#8217; kind of place (that&#8217;s what i use skype for) is that I don&#8217;t want to &#8216;be available&#8217; for everyone on twitter all the time. I participate as I have time. This seems to work well.</p>
<p>When i need to write something more concrete than 140 characters I write here on this blog. (or I call someone) the 140 characters forces people to refine their ideas to a point. I find that helpful.</p>
<p>As for designing a better one? In a sense I&#8217;m trying that at the university with the laconica project&#8230; which offers more of a common ground and isn&#8217;t proprietary. I&#8217;m not sure what &#8216;better&#8217; would look like, maybe the combination of the twelve things i use&#8230; but i like the fact that i can keep my networks a little separated. It&#8217;d be fun to sit around and fight about though <img src='http://davecormier.com/edblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>for me the software comes after the network&#8230; I&#8217;ll always choose bad software with good people, might sound weird&#8230; but i can&#8217;t always predict what people will use.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Vessey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Vessey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing -- I find that a clear and accessible description of a very practical approach to Twitter.

As I think about this more, I realize that many of the cognitive speedbumps I have with Twitter have to do with its characteristics.  I can see the tremendous benefit of self-organizing groups of people engaging in (near?) real-time exchanges, but why limit to 140 characters?  Why is everything public?  I haven&#039;t seen (but maybe there is) a &quot;status&quot; display that let&#039;s you know if someone is on-line or not, etc.

It seems to me that tools that deliver this same kind of community-building have been around since the Usenet days (my lawn...), and what we&#039;re seeing is the waxing and waning of the popularity of social software gadgets that have sprung from the minds of the latest batch of propeller heads -- and that popularity is based on many other things beside practicality and features.

So here&#039;s a hypothetical question: if you could build a new social software piece that you knew would reach the same level of popularity as Twitter, would it look much like Twitter?  What features would the ultimate social software include?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing &#8212; I find that a clear and accessible description of a very practical approach to Twitter.</p>
<p>As I think about this more, I realize that many of the cognitive speedbumps I have with Twitter have to do with its characteristics.  I can see the tremendous benefit of self-organizing groups of people engaging in (near?) real-time exchanges, but why limit to 140 characters?  Why is everything public?  I haven&#8217;t seen (but maybe there is) a &#8220;status&#8221; display that let&#8217;s you know if someone is on-line or not, etc.</p>
<p>It seems to me that tools that deliver this same kind of community-building have been around since the Usenet days (my lawn&#8230;), and what we&#8217;re seeing is the waxing and waning of the popularity of social software gadgets that have sprung from the minds of the latest batch of propeller heads &#8212; and that popularity is based on many other things beside practicality and features.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s a hypothetical question: if you could build a new social software piece that you knew would reach the same level of popularity as Twitter, would it look much like Twitter?  What features would the ultimate social software include?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 14:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right. I should definitely be using the plural. It makes the understanding of the article more complicated but i really should add a note about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right. I should definitely be using the plural. It makes the understanding of the article more complicated but i really should add a note about it.</p>
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