Keith, I think we are understanding each other. Maybe religion as a forbidden topic is screwing things up by setting off alarms that distract us? That doesn’t matter to me but dropping it is okay too.

For me, the biggest issue I face is a world where saying you are doing what you clearly are not doing it taken as a legitimate currency of exchange. What used to be considered “politeness” or gentile consideration of others to speak less harshly has turned to a requirement to defraud our intentions or efforts of a reason for being. Think I read somewhere that this is called “Corrupted Dialogue” and might be explained in the notion of schizophrenia from D&G though I haven’t been able to read them.

What happens when out words are in constant redefinition as we speak them? I don’t know except that the process that Dave uses to fiddle with assumptions seems to release meaning in dialogue back to being meaningful. Instead of symbolic relations with ideas that are distanced by word replacement trickery we might be able to return to words without intermediate steps to understanding?

While I love the idea of uniqueness and subscribe to a world as unstable as my life I understand that newness can emerge from deliberate effort to replicate the positive. The idea of structure represents a kind of “weighing down” to me as does design feel like a limitation. Yet structure also supports and carries loads that are not necessarily limiting like traditions that make us more interesting, more complex.

What if we were all lucky to have connected to Rhizo14. Right time, place, temperament, etc.? Could it work with another group? Thinking about I’d say yes.