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		By: Keith Hamon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry to be so late in replying to the fine comments here.

Frances, I have too long a response to make a comment here, so I&#039;ve posted the first of my thoughts to my own blog. Please &lt;a href=&quot;http://idst-2215.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-of-intentionality-cck12.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jump there&lt;/a&gt; to continue this fine discussion. That&#039;s a selfish request. I&#039;m learning much.

Thanks, scholars, and Dave, I apologize for hijacking your post, but it was so much fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be so late in replying to the fine comments here.</p>
<p>Frances, I have too long a response to make a comment here, so I&#8217;ve posted the first of my thoughts to my own blog. Please <a href="http://idst-2215.blogspot.com/2012/02/problem-of-intentionality-cck12.html" rel="nofollow">jump there</a> to continue this fine discussion. That&#8217;s a selfish request. I&#8217;m learning much.</p>
<p>Thanks, scholars, and Dave, I apologize for hijacking your post, but it was so much fun.</p>
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		By: Frances Bell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frances Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that intentionality emerges from more than just an individual &#039;forming intentions&#039; and to some extent may be seen as a local network effect but my criticism of connectivism is that it tends to overplay the network effect and underplay human agency.  That is why I find cartography as you present it her a useful concept in learning and how others may (or may not) support the learner. I have already made comparisons between connectivism&#039;s and Actor Network Theory&#039;s treatment  of networks of human and non-human objects http://usir.salford.ac.uk/9270/ and I am beginning to see that rhizomatics (if there is such a thing) also deal with this subject.  The question for me is how do they deal with connections between humans and non-human in understanding learning? Whilst I can recognise that the non-human has interests, agency, etc. I am much more concerned about maximising human fulfilment and happiness than putting the non-human centre stage.  As a participant in and observer of the participatory web, I see old power relations played out in new networks eg recommender system and analytics but somehow denied in a context where the machine is seen as amoral and humans as &#039;democratised&#039;.  Here endeth the rant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that intentionality emerges from more than just an individual &#8216;forming intentions&#8217; and to some extent may be seen as a local network effect but my criticism of connectivism is that it tends to overplay the network effect and underplay human agency.  That is why I find cartography as you present it her a useful concept in learning and how others may (or may not) support the learner. I have already made comparisons between connectivism&#8217;s and Actor Network Theory&#8217;s treatment  of networks of human and non-human objects <a href="http://usir.salford.ac.uk/9270/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://usir.salford.ac.uk/9270/</a> and I am beginning to see that rhizomatics (if there is such a thing) also deal with this subject.  The question for me is how do they deal with connections between humans and non-human in understanding learning? Whilst I can recognise that the non-human has interests, agency, etc. I am much more concerned about maximising human fulfilment and happiness than putting the non-human centre stage.  As a participant in and observer of the participatory web, I see old power relations played out in new networks eg recommender system and analytics but somehow denied in a context where the machine is seen as amoral and humans as &#8216;democratised&#8217;.  Here endeth the rant.</p>
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		By: Keith Hamon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Hamon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frances, intentionality is a wonderful angle from which to approach this discussion as it provides another point of entry into the rhizome. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that intentionality is a feature of an individual, or in the terms of connectivism: a single node within a network. Our conventional notions of intention are based on a reductionist assumption that individuals are … well, individuals—discrete entities capable of entirely self-sponsored, self-motivated, self-generated behavior. But it is only the point of view from our social scale that makes any individual appear to be a single node.

Even if we individuals are capable of this kind of independent action, this &lt;i&gt;intentionality&lt;/i&gt;, it still emerges from the most complex, rhizomatic structure that I know about: the human mind. And I for one strongly doubt that our intentions do emerge wholly from our minds alone, as rich a muck as they are. Rather, I think our intentions are much more like the intersections of myriad lines of thought and action, perhaps mostly from ourselves, but also from our environments.

For example, I have formed intentions about this conversation we are now having—intentions that for convenience—strictly for convenience—I call mine, but I really can&#039;t isolate my intentions from Dave&#039;s original intentions to write this post, George&#039;s comments months ago, or yours and Mary Ann&#039;s comments a few days ago (and thanks for the compliments—I&#039;m flattered by you both). If I am to be brutally honest with myself and you, my intention to respond emerges as much from the compliments as the intellectual engagement. I want to think of my intentions as pure and purely intellectual, but if I did, I&#039;d be lying. I think most of our intentions are just this complex, just this rhizomatic.

Or did I misunderstand you? I&#039;m just rhizomatic enough to have an asignifying rupture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frances, intentionality is a wonderful angle from which to approach this discussion as it provides another point of entry into the rhizome. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that intentionality is a feature of an individual, or in the terms of connectivism: a single node within a network. Our conventional notions of intention are based on a reductionist assumption that individuals are … well, individuals—discrete entities capable of entirely self-sponsored, self-motivated, self-generated behavior. But it is only the point of view from our social scale that makes any individual appear to be a single node.</p>
<p>Even if we individuals are capable of this kind of independent action, this <i>intentionality</i>, it still emerges from the most complex, rhizomatic structure that I know about: the human mind. And I for one strongly doubt that our intentions do emerge wholly from our minds alone, as rich a muck as they are. Rather, I think our intentions are much more like the intersections of myriad lines of thought and action, perhaps mostly from ourselves, but also from our environments.</p>
<p>For example, I have formed intentions about this conversation we are now having—intentions that for convenience—strictly for convenience—I call mine, but I really can&#8217;t isolate my intentions from Dave&#8217;s original intentions to write this post, George&#8217;s comments months ago, or yours and Mary Ann&#8217;s comments a few days ago (and thanks for the compliments—I&#8217;m flattered by you both). If I am to be brutally honest with myself and you, my intention to respond emerges as much from the compliments as the intellectual engagement. I want to think of my intentions as pure and purely intellectual, but if I did, I&#8217;d be lying. I think most of our intentions are just this complex, just this rhizomatic.</p>
<p>Or did I misunderstand you? I&#8217;m just rhizomatic enough to have an asignifying rupture.</p>
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		By: Frances Bell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am always fascinated to read what Keith has to say about rhizome as metaphor as it seems to come from such a deep knowledge of the subject.  I wondered if he could comment on my cartography in response to his words.  I am thinking about the intentionality of the learner - who creates a map, say a blog post or essay, to share with teacher/other learners - or who takes their knowledge from classroom to workplace (or vice versa).  Certainly, in the first example, there is some intentionality that is not adequately explained by connectivism&#039;s approach to networks.  Am I misunderstanding what you have said about the rhizome metaphor?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always fascinated to read what Keith has to say about rhizome as metaphor as it seems to come from such a deep knowledge of the subject.  I wondered if he could comment on my cartography in response to his words.  I am thinking about the intentionality of the learner &#8211; who creates a map, say a blog post or essay, to share with teacher/other learners &#8211; or who takes their knowledge from classroom to workplace (or vice versa).  Certainly, in the first example, there is some intentionality that is not adequately explained by connectivism&#8217;s approach to networks.  Am I misunderstanding what you have said about the rhizome metaphor?</p>
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		By: Mary Ann Reilly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Ann Reilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 03:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow.  Great post and the comments make me think, especially Keith Hamon&#039;s response.  When he writes, &quot;Cartography helps me visualize how patterns can echo throughout an ecosystem (classrooms, nations, frog ponds)&quot;--I wonder about George&#039;s comments about the limitations of rhizome to explain how learning occurs--and I think &#039;Yes, all quite right.&#039;  Rhizomatic learning isn&#039;t limited to the idea of the rhizome. Rather the patterns Keith writes about, the lines of flight (2 others types of lines as well) , and the six conditions as suggested by D &#038; G represent a learning un/theory--that which can be broken/remade at any moment.  Rhizomatic leaning is the ins and outs of stability (codification) and slippages. It&#039;s tacit and explicit ways of knowing.  It&#039;s the world of both/and.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Great post and the comments make me think, especially Keith Hamon&#8217;s response.  When he writes, &#8220;Cartography helps me visualize how patterns can echo throughout an ecosystem (classrooms, nations, frog ponds)&#8221;&#8211;I wonder about George&#8217;s comments about the limitations of rhizome to explain how learning occurs&#8211;and I think &#8216;Yes, all quite right.&#8217;  Rhizomatic learning isn&#8217;t limited to the idea of the rhizome. Rather the patterns Keith writes about, the lines of flight (2 others types of lines as well) , and the six conditions as suggested by D &amp; G represent a learning un/theory&#8211;that which can be broken/remade at any moment.  Rhizomatic leaning is the ins and outs of stability (codification) and slippages. It&#8217;s tacit and explicit ways of knowing.  It&#8217;s the world of both/and.</p>
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		By: Keith Hamon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Hamon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave, you&#039;ve much here to comment on, and likely, I will post a response on my blog so as not to take too much space here. However, I want to address one critical comment that George makes about the rhizome as metaphor: &lt;i&gt;However, beyond the value of describing the form of curriculum as decentralized, adaptive, and organic, I’m unsure what rhizomes contribute to knowledge and learning.&lt;/i&gt; He appears to be suggesting that the rhizomatic metaphor says little or nothing about how to address the &lt;i&gt;decentralized, adaptive, and organic&lt;/i&gt; world, instructional and otherwise. I think this is an error.

While it would be a mistake to look to Deleuze and Guattari for a pedagogical blueprint, they do refer to two principles that say much about &lt;i&gt;knowledge and learning&lt;/i&gt;: cartography and decalcomania. These may be the least discussed of the rhizomatic principles, but they are important, especially for education.

Cartography in Deleuze and Guattari suggests a process of mapping against shifting, decentralized, adaptive, and organic reality, and then remapping, and remapping again. Always testing reality, and &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; looking for the right answer, but for a useful answer. Making markers, placing anchors, looking for reference points to see where they take us, all the while knowing that the anchors must sooner or later be hauled up or repositioned as the tide shifts. Of course, this is all metaphor rather than formula, but that is the attraction of the rhizome, at least to me. The metaphor of cartography, then, suggests that knowledge is never permanent, but always provisional, useful at best, and harmful when it becomes dogma. I suspect George would agree with this, and it seems quite consistent with Connectivism and other strains of post-structuralism.

Then decalcomania is even more pointed. For those who may not know, decalcomania is an art process of transferring a pattern from one place to another through some medium. Children doing handprints on paper in kindergarten is a common example. This is a marvelous metaphor for a theory of knowledge that I&#039;m seeing in Downes&#039; discussions and Olaf Sporns&#039; work in neuro-physiology. If knowledge is a network configuration, then it is not transferred as some tiny nugget from teacher to student. Rather, it is a pattern, a function of networks, that the more or less sensitive and receptive fabric of the student&#039;s mind echoes more or less well in and through its encounter with the teacher&#039;s words, actions, lessons, props, classroom environment, amount of time til lunch, the attraction/distraction of the child beside, etc. Cartography is a marvelous metaphor that captures remarkably well a very difficult concept, given that most people think knowledge a packet that is encoded and packaged by a sender, then &lt;i&gt;transferred&lt;/i&gt; to a receiver across some medium, and finally decoded by the receiver. Cartography helps me visualize how patterns can echo throughout an ecosystem (classrooms, nations, frog ponds). I think this way of envisioning the &lt;i&gt;spread&lt;/i&gt; of knowledge is entirely consistent with Connectivist epistemology, or what I understand of it, and this metaphor can be explored in great detail with huge implications for pedagogy. For example, it renders obvious why 30 different students learn 30 different things from the same lesson. It&#039;s like their 30 different handprints: same paper, same paint, different prints.

I&#039;ll write more about this later, but my students have finished their assignment, and I have to get back to teaching. Later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, you&#8217;ve much here to comment on, and likely, I will post a response on my blog so as not to take too much space here. However, I want to address one critical comment that George makes about the rhizome as metaphor: <i>However, beyond the value of describing the form of curriculum as decentralized, adaptive, and organic, I’m unsure what rhizomes contribute to knowledge and learning.</i> He appears to be suggesting that the rhizomatic metaphor says little or nothing about how to address the <i>decentralized, adaptive, and organic</i> world, instructional and otherwise. I think this is an error.</p>
<p>While it would be a mistake to look to Deleuze and Guattari for a pedagogical blueprint, they do refer to two principles that say much about <i>knowledge and learning</i>: cartography and decalcomania. These may be the least discussed of the rhizomatic principles, but they are important, especially for education.</p>
<p>Cartography in Deleuze and Guattari suggests a process of mapping against shifting, decentralized, adaptive, and organic reality, and then remapping, and remapping again. Always testing reality, and <b>not</b> looking for the right answer, but for a useful answer. Making markers, placing anchors, looking for reference points to see where they take us, all the while knowing that the anchors must sooner or later be hauled up or repositioned as the tide shifts. Of course, this is all metaphor rather than formula, but that is the attraction of the rhizome, at least to me. The metaphor of cartography, then, suggests that knowledge is never permanent, but always provisional, useful at best, and harmful when it becomes dogma. I suspect George would agree with this, and it seems quite consistent with Connectivism and other strains of post-structuralism.</p>
<p>Then decalcomania is even more pointed. For those who may not know, decalcomania is an art process of transferring a pattern from one place to another through some medium. Children doing handprints on paper in kindergarten is a common example. This is a marvelous metaphor for a theory of knowledge that I&#8217;m seeing in Downes&#8217; discussions and Olaf Sporns&#8217; work in neuro-physiology. If knowledge is a network configuration, then it is not transferred as some tiny nugget from teacher to student. Rather, it is a pattern, a function of networks, that the more or less sensitive and receptive fabric of the student&#8217;s mind echoes more or less well in and through its encounter with the teacher&#8217;s words, actions, lessons, props, classroom environment, amount of time til lunch, the attraction/distraction of the child beside, etc. Cartography is a marvelous metaphor that captures remarkably well a very difficult concept, given that most people think knowledge a packet that is encoded and packaged by a sender, then <i>transferred</i> to a receiver across some medium, and finally decoded by the receiver. Cartography helps me visualize how patterns can echo throughout an ecosystem (classrooms, nations, frog ponds). I think this way of envisioning the <i>spread</i> of knowledge is entirely consistent with Connectivist epistemology, or what I understand of it, and this metaphor can be explored in great detail with huge implications for pedagogy. For example, it renders obvious why 30 different students learn 30 different things from the same lesson. It&#8217;s like their 30 different handprints: same paper, same paint, different prints.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll write more about this later, but my students have finished their assignment, and I have to get back to teaching. Later.</p>
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		By: Nancy White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nancy White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Things that pop into mind. Improvisation (music or any form), physical, emotional and intellectual responses to changes (in environment, pattern, temperature, anything), cultural norms around certainty, change, ambiguity, flexibiity). 

Flow.

Disruption.

Habituation.

Earthquakes.

Now I feel a Haiku coming on, but I&#039;ll resist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things that pop into mind. Improvisation (music or any form), physical, emotional and intellectual responses to changes (in environment, pattern, temperature, anything), cultural norms around certainty, change, ambiguity, flexibiity). </p>
<p>Flow.</p>
<p>Disruption.</p>
<p>Habituation.</p>
<p>Earthquakes.</p>
<p>Now I feel a Haiku coming on, but I&#8217;ll resist.</p>
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		By: Mark McGuire		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark McGuire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi dave (and others)

Thanks for the post, and for the conversation it has started.

Metaphors, like clothes, shouldn&#039;t be worn for too long before changing them. The  desktop metaphor of the Mac OS seemed pretty natural to me, until I stepped into the Amiga&#039;s garage and approached the &quot;Workbench&quot;. The difference between the white collar and blue collar environments, and the loaded visual metaphors they employed, was a revelation. 

We can compare unfamiliar things to things that we already have some grasp of, but we have to constantly turn it around in our hands (and in our mind) and try to see it from different vantage points and perspectives (which is easier to do with the help of others, who can report on what they see from where they stand). The best conversations happen in the alleyways between established ideas. We have to keep exploring, and we have to keep talking about what we are finding, using different languages to describe what we see, so we can avoid the trap that any one language can become.

I wonder if, for complicated concepts, the best we can do is beat around the bush together and try to come to a shared understanding of the idea of &quot;bushness&quot;, without expecting that we will be able to understand the bush completely. Once we think we&#039;ve grasped it, it might have flowered, or shed its leaves, or we might have discovered that the most interesting story is underground, or that it cannot be understood as a separate, singular thing. 

Let ten thousand metaphors bloom!

Mark McGuire]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dave (and others)</p>
<p>Thanks for the post, and for the conversation it has started.</p>
<p>Metaphors, like clothes, shouldn&#8217;t be worn for too long before changing them. The  desktop metaphor of the Mac OS seemed pretty natural to me, until I stepped into the Amiga&#8217;s garage and approached the &#8220;Workbench&#8221;. The difference between the white collar and blue collar environments, and the loaded visual metaphors they employed, was a revelation. </p>
<p>We can compare unfamiliar things to things that we already have some grasp of, but we have to constantly turn it around in our hands (and in our mind) and try to see it from different vantage points and perspectives (which is easier to do with the help of others, who can report on what they see from where they stand). The best conversations happen in the alleyways between established ideas. We have to keep exploring, and we have to keep talking about what we are finding, using different languages to describe what we see, so we can avoid the trap that any one language can become.</p>
<p>I wonder if, for complicated concepts, the best we can do is beat around the bush together and try to come to a shared understanding of the idea of &#8220;bushness&#8221;, without expecting that we will be able to understand the bush completely. Once we think we&#8217;ve grasped it, it might have flowered, or shed its leaves, or we might have discovered that the most interesting story is underground, or that it cannot be understood as a separate, singular thing. </p>
<p>Let ten thousand metaphors bloom!</p>
<p>Mark McGuire</p>
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		By: Vanessa Vaile		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel much better now about my own reluctance, difficulties defining ...]]></description>
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		By: jaap		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave,
Rhizomatic learning reminds me of me learning to play bass clarinet. No curriculum for that subject, no teacher in my neighborhood, no books available. Because of that I have to pick up pieces of knowledge, ask questions and  try to learn in a howdoyoucallit way. In the process one does learn to know bass clarinetists and other valuable connections. One starts to learn to play and somewhere on the road one is a bass clarinetist. (same as blogging)
In schools you could discover a lot of rhizomatic learning. Most students learn &#039;how to study&#039; in a rhizomatic way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,<br />
Rhizomatic learning reminds me of me learning to play bass clarinet. No curriculum for that subject, no teacher in my neighborhood, no books available. Because of that I have to pick up pieces of knowledge, ask questions and  try to learn in a howdoyoucallit way. In the process one does learn to know bass clarinetists and other valuable connections. One starts to learn to play and somewhere on the road one is a bass clarinetist. (same as blogging)<br />
In schools you could discover a lot of rhizomatic learning. Most students learn &#8216;how to study&#8217; in a rhizomatic way.</p>
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