hmmm… methinks meaning is in the eye of the beholder, and that how one sees self may have little to do with how others see the situation…, I haven’t the faintest idea whether you or you or you see me as as within the WE or part of THEM but I’m guessing I might put myself in a different category to you tend to put me… and I assume those I see as part of WE don’t necessarily feel themselves to be any such thing…. does it matter?

I’m very influenced by Bakhtin, and by Bernstein and most of all by Halliday in my musings about language, text and context, but I’m not sure I share any sense of ‘problem’ with you guys… ? I’m interested always to discuss and define literacy and oracy and the ‘affordances’ or limitations of one or another technology in becoming literate, but if the intention is to talk about what makes a body feel in or out of a discourse, and to get more participation in ‘meaning making processes’, then can’t you just ask folks how they feel and whether they’d like to feel part of?

Some do actually prefer to observe than play, sometimes.. some hate ‘groups’ with a passion but still love the ideation that reading helps create, and they might change their mind anyway when it gets personal and real… others love the sound of their own voice and don’t care much to learn and change their intellectual potential.. so? What’s the ‘problem’ to be ‘solved’? Maybe it’s fine and lovely to have a group where you can be silent until you feel you need to speak…

sorry for the ramble, I’m tired today, but basically just wanted to say that pronouns can be used by anyone, they don’t belong anywhere, so the only difference between being a we or a them is the act of occupying the word… back to silent themness now!